Monday, December 29, 2008

"SUFFER LITTLE CHILDREN TO COME UNTO ME" JESUS - LUKE 18:16

“If I were a Palestinian I would have joined a terrorist organisation” (Ehud Barak Israel Defence Minister)

“They (Palestinians) only know but one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?”
(David Ben Gurion, - first Prime Minister of Israel)

You would struggle to get a more honest admission of guilt than the two quotes above, nor would you find more reliable sources but, the shameful crime goes on and on. In the past 6 months 1 Israeli has died from a rocket attack fired from Gaza, in the past 2 days 290 Palestinians have been killed and 1,000 have been injured by the Israeli defence forces. Killed and maimed by high tech. bombs supplied by America and dropped on the defenceless civilian population of Gaza, Israeli’s are murdering defenceless children in Gaza, did anyone ever think that someone could write such a thing? It’s been going on for years and every now and then it becomes too big, too abominable and too obvious for people to look the other way.

Yet again the world looks aghast and wonders with dread what atrocities the Israeli’s are prepared to inflict on the people of Palestine, in the name of god are they all suffering from collective amnesia? Are there none of them left who remember their own history, do they have flash backs when they see a pile of dead children, killed by them, their victims! Is this somehow different? What kind of people were those who inflicted such horror on the Jews, how were they labelled by us, us decent ones, we the good society, we called them evil, we called them vicious animals. What should we call the Israeli’s? should we still say “yes but, think of what the Jews went through, is the well of sympathy rightly afforded them after WW11 being drained, is it possible to justify the barbarism that is happening in Gaza, is a dead Palestinian child somehow different? because if the answer to that is yes then he/she who said it is no better than any other historical brute who had no respect for human life. This agony has been going on for so long now that Israeli citizens have become desensitised, killing children becomes acceptable and can be explained away, 1 Israeli death in 6 months as opposed to 290 Palestinian deaths in 2 days can be twisted and justified, it was ever thus when trying to explain away evil.

This is collective punishment and is a war crime, Western World leaders including Gordon Brown are too dominated by America to do anything except mumble “a plague on both your houses” the siege of Gaza and it’s blockade, the apartheid wall, the blocking of medical supplies might be a dream/nightmare for all we have heard from our Govt. “it never happened, it’s not happening” as the late great Harold Pinter said. Didn’t we send our charismatic former prime Minister to help solve the problem? No one expected miracles from him but nor did we expect a vacuum and a vow of silence, he is a waste of time and a continuous reminder of our subservience to the Americans on important matters. World leaders know what is happening, It is time they called a halt to Israel’s crimes, we hear about war criminals being charged at the Hague, why are the Israeli’s not being treated the same? When partisans killed a German soldier during the war, the Germans would kill a whole village of people, why is this different?

Am I alone in thinking that the Palestinian people must know that they can’t defeat the might of the Israel/American axis, they are killed, maimed, tortured and imprisoned, their land/homes/villages and farms are destroyed and the settlers take over their country, turning them into refugees, does anyone else, like me stop to think why on earth are they still fighting against such incredible odds, what possesses them, still after all this time and all this Israeli brutality are they still prepared to run out and throw a stone at a tank? Where does that kind of spirit come from what “banishes fear with the speed of a flame” as the Irish writer Dominic Behan once wrote? The answer is of course a 'just cause’ 'right against wrong’ ‘good against evil’ that’s why the Palestinians are still defiantly standing. Without tanks or war planes or even without stones to throw they still shame Israel.

The reason that Israel has stolen Palestine can best be understood by asking a settler who has just taken a Palestinian’s land, knocked down his home and made his family into refugees, this can be an urbane sophisticated well educated Israeli who will tell you the reason as follows “ this is our land because God promised it to us” That’s it folks, there you have it, press our settler further, when did God promise it to you? “Several thousand years ago” the land that Palestinians have been living in for thousands of years was promised to the Jews by no less a conveyance lawyer than God. Not only were bushes bursting into flames, seas parting and manna falling from heaven but God also found time to do a land deal with the Jews. Yes this sounds flippant but, this is their reason, they are not having a joke when they justify the killing and brutality, it was God who started it, this is their justification, is not time to put a stop to this nefarious injustice.

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22 comments:

Bob Piper said...

Terry, "It is not those who can inflict the most, but those that can suffer the most who will prevail".

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Bob Piper) 18:09
I think that means we will win in the end.

RM said...

Cllr Kelly, I am not a Socialist nor a Socialist supporter but I do wholeheartedly support & admire what you are doing here to publicise the horrors in Gaza. I have signed the petition. More people like you, who will speak out, are desperately needed. Good luck, Sir. Respect.

Anonymous said...

If you were capable of calming down and looking at this objectively you would recognize that Israel is doing nothing more than any other state would do under the circumstances.

Israel pulled out of the West Bank and Gaza in 2006, put up a big wall and basically gave the Palestinians what they wanted.

Instead of grasping the opportunity to build a peaceful and prosperous Palestinian state, Hamas responded by partisan infighting, kleptocracy and firing rockets into Israel.

As Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has pointed out, Israel has been left with no choice but to invade and it is entirely the fault of Hamas.

You mention the disparity between the number of Israelis and Palestinians killed, but fail to mention that the Palestinian thugs locate their headquarters in high-population areas in an attempt to use their own people as human shields. Furthermore, Hamas rockets are so inaccurate that they could land absolutely anywhere - the terrorists don't care whether they hit an IAF base or a primary school, and deep down, you know it, you sad little apologist.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 12:07
“If you were capable of calming down”

I am perfectly calm and I feel a calm, cold bitter rage, I choose my words carefully, and I say that Israel is murdering defenceless children, they are war criminals and people like you are quislings.

“Israel pulled out of the West Bank and Gaza in 2006”

A lie to justify brutality and murder, Israel has been in control illegally of the West Bank and Gaza since 1967.

“As Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has pointed out”

Not a good ally to quote, in all of this Egypt is only held in more contempt by one other and that is Israel.

“Palestinian thugs locate their headquarters in high-population areas in an attempt to use their own people as human shields”

You are a liar, there is nowhere in the Gaza Strip where a bomb could land and be safe for civilians, it is the most densely packed area of land in the world; Israel has turned it into the worlds biggest prison.

Your comments are vile and they support war crimes, what kind of person are you? You are trying to justify the killing of innocent children, have you no decency at all?

Alan said...

What about all the defenceless women and children that were murdered by Britain and the USA in the Iraq war.

The party that you represent invaded Irag killing countless of innocent people and the justification for that war did not exist (weapons of mass destruction).

The shame of this act will never leave this country.

I can't understand how you can pontificate about events in other parts of the world whilst you sit with blood stained hands.

If you did not support this war you should have resigned from the Labour Party and showed your dissent.

But then that would have required some backbone. Something that you don't have!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Alan) 13:47
“If you did not support this war you should have resigned”

This is what I have come to expect from people like you, when you and cowards like you lose you quit, you are the “cringing cowards” that are sung about in “the Red Flag”

“backbone. Something that you don't have!”

I’ll settle for my backbone over yours any time, mine is the type that doesn’t hide; Your bogus outrage isn’t even enough to get you to identify yourself, you’re a liar right? a big mouthed tough talking coward.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Alan) 13:47
“If you did not support this war you should have resigned”

This is what I have come to expect from people like you, when you and cowards like you lose you quit, you are the “cringing cowards” that are sung about in “the Red Flag”

“backbone. Something that you don't have!”

I’ll settle for my backbone over yours any time, mine is the type that doesn’t hide; Your bogus outrage isn’t even enough to get you to identify yourself, you’re a liar right? a big mouthed tough talking coward.

Macnasty said...

Kelly and Bob Piper. Dear God, the Chuckle Bros trading compliments on the same blog - it's too much.

But I digress. Kelly, you cretin, you've lost sight of the fact that Israel RETALIATED for rocket attacks on it's citizens.

Now. even in Sandwell, but especially in Glasgow, if you chuck a brick at the biggest lad in the street, you can expect an unpleasant reaction.

There, gentlemen, does that explain the situation?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Macnasty) 20:33
If you were the biggest lad in the street and someone threw a brick at you would you murder their children?
Read my latest blog Mr. Quisling.

Jock said...

Terry,
I think your reply to Alan was a little over the top. His argument was reasonable apart from his last sentence.
More evidence is emerging that the Labour Government is involved in an illegal war for oil in Iraq (see, for example, METRO newspaper 2nd July 2008, page 4, "Iraq oil spoils go to Britain and US"). The Labour Government has a lot of blood on its hands. Some people would rather be a member of John Cleese's Judean Peoples Liberation Front (or variant thereof!) than be associated with the oil war supporting Labour Party!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Jock) 30/12/08
You and Alan are liars with your own agenda.

Here’s what you are doing.

What can be done about Gaza? what can we say? I’ve got it! Let’s attack the Labour Govt. over Iraq; Gaza? Murdered children? Sod that we can’t win that argument, just ignore Gaza, have a pop at Labour.

The longer you two and others like you write to me the more obvious becomes the reason for your anonymity.

John McGalt said...

Don't call me a liar. Israel has had no military presence in the Gaza strip since 2006. If you dispute this, you are a liar.

"people like you are quislings"

With respect, I won't accept that insult from an admirer of Stalin.

"Not a good ally to quote, in all of this Egypt is only held in more contempt by one other and that is Israel."

No disagreement there - I didn't pretend that Mubarak was anything other than a nasty thug. I was pointing out that even someone with a pro-Palestinian, Arab perspective recognizes that this is entirely Hamas' fault. Incidentally, Mubarak represents exactly the kind of leader who would emerge if your wish were ever granted and Palestine were restored in full.

“Israel has turned it into the worlds biggest prison.”

Knew you would try that one – hasn’t Israel been repeatedly blockaded – not to mention invaded – by its Arab neighbours? That has not stopped Israel from becoming one of the great economic and political success stories of the 20th century.

“Your comments are vile and they support war crimes, what kind of person are you? You are trying to justify the killing of innocent children, have you no decency at all?”

Your impression of Joseph McCarthy is uncanny.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(John McGalt) 18:53
“ Don't call me a liar. Israel has had no military presence in the Gaza strip since 2006. If you dispute this, you are a liar”

Israel has been in total control of Gaza since 1967 they have turned it into a prison and you are indeed a liar.

“I won't accept that insult from an admirer of Stalin”
Another lie, show me where I have ever said I was an admirer of Stalin.

“I was pointing out that even someone with a pro-Palestinian, Arab perspective recognizes that this is entirely Hamas' fault”

Either this is even more lies or you are ignorant of the situation, Egypt couldn’t care less about Palestine, they crawl to Israeli war criminals because they fear Iran.

“That has not stopped Israel from becoming one of the great economic and political success stories of the 20th century”

FFS supported by America’s dollars, £3 Billion a year; did you miss that or can you just not stop lying? It costs a lot of money to produce bombs which are effective against stone throwing children.

“Your impression of Joseph McCarthy is uncanny”

At last you have surprised me, my money was on you calling me an anti Semite.

Anonymous said...

"You are a liar, show me where I said I admired Stalin."

Here:

http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/2007/08/guten-morgen-diyen-dobri-comrades.html

"Uncle Joe became uncle Joe because the British loved him he was our saviour...many British homes had Stalin's portrait on the wall."

If that's not expressing admiration, I'm not sure what is.

"FFS supported by America’s dollars, £3 Billion a year"

That may or may not be true, but it is a small proportion of Israeli GDP, which is approx. 195bn a year, according to Wikipedia.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 18:03

Like most practised liars you twist and turn, you are not just a liar you are a pathetic liar.

What you are referring to is a statement of fact; Stalin during the war was “Uncle Joe” my mother and my aunts’ knitted socks and gloves for the Russian soldiers, they and Stalin were our allies and our saviours. Had I been around at the time and possibly you, he and they would have been our heroes; your statement is a twisted lie.

Stalin went on to commit great crimes but that does not permit quislings like you to rewrite history. Perhaps you would have preferred portraits of Hitler on the walls of British homes, like those in the Royal household or those in the home of the American Ambassador to Britain one Joseph Kennedy, rum runner, Nazi fan and father of the future President; these and other upper class fascists would have had us all speaking German.

Where does Israel find people like you? What stone have you crawled out from under? Israel has sunk to some depth indeed to attract support from your kind.

John McGalt said...

Wonderful, Councillor, wonderful. Politics will be boring when the last of the likes of you die out.

Macnasty said...

Kelly, you did say that 'you admired Stalin.'

You did not say you admired him 'except for his homicidal tendencies,' so at the time, the Kelly admiration was unconditional, warts and all.

Not sure how you can spin your way out of this, but I'm sure you'll give it a go

Shug Niggurath said...

"Stalin went on to commit great crimes but that does not permit quislings like you to rewrite history."

Nope. Stalin committed less crimes after the war period. But before the fighting with Germany?
Caused massive deflation shrinking wages by 90% in the 20's.

3 million Ukrainian deaths due to famine caused by policy failures in the 30's.

Invaded Poland 17 September 1939 (two weeks after the Nazis took their half).

Assisted Germany breaking Treaty of Versailles limitations.

Invaded Finland in 1940 and possibly gave Hitler the idea that Russia was for the taking given the high casualties the Red Army suffered.

The Great Purge of the late thirties.

Aye, good old Uncle Joe - saviour of the West!!!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(John McGalt) 02/01/09
Is there an argument here somewhere?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Macnasty) 02/01/09
“Kelly, you did say that 'you admired Stalin”

Where? – When?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Shug Niggurath) 13:22
I was accused of being an admirer of Stalin and I asked to be shown where I said that I was; I now ask you to have a go as well. I can enter into a debate with you about what happened and when but, judging by your list of crimes, “ famine, deflation, invasion of Poland after the Nazis and,best of all, possibly encouraged Hitler to invade Russia, that would be worthless.
I think that you and others have a problem accepting that a country and its leader hated by you were responsible for saving your skin but it’s true.