Tuesday, May 13, 2008

WHAT WORRIES SALMOND 'THE SPIV' ? EVENTS DEAR BOY, EVENTS.

With apologies to old 'Supermac' for the above tital.
Last week was unprecedented in the small world of Scottish politics, I challenge anyone to find a comparable orchestrated attack of such a personal nature on any politician on a level as that which has been directed at Wendy Alexander, this was hatred and it was personal, it was a dark shameful week for Scotland's politics and, just when you think that journalists can't possibly get any lower they do just that, what a profession.

It's not so easy to determine why we seen this outburst of poison it was positively McCarthyite, Salmond (the spiv) was always confident that he could deal with other Scottish leaders like McConnell and McLeish, not so Wendy, hence the personal abuse, the sneering, the orchestrated laughter and cheering from the mob, he needs that, he's scared to leave anything to chance he's a bully and a coward.
Not an easy man to like, this is a man who can strut sitting down but, there has always been a suspicion that he's not what he seems, something lacking, he needs the odds piled up in his favour, last week the mask slipped, suddenly he blinked, suddenly he didn't look so tough.

Wendy's offer to put up or shut up is now beginning to be seen for what it was, a shrewd and courageous move which wrong footed him and the SNP, I think that's the main reason for the hysterical reaction, when the leader of one party Salmond (the spiv) resorts to calling for the resignation of another party leader it usually means that he has been damaged.

The press and TV have her finished 'again' if Wendy gets hit by a bus the wretched Herald's Ian Macwhirter's life will flash past her, this guy must be just about punched out, what the hell did she do to him ?
'holy' John McLeod of the Daily Mail wrote about her in a way which suggests that he harbours a personal hatred of her, it's worth reading just to see how low some people can sink. This guy shares a kind of similar religious background to the Alexanders and he doesn't confine his vicious comments to Wendy, it might be some historical fall out, both dads are ministers. The "wee free big free" thing so loved by music hall comedians years ago perhaps.
I think he also called down a "plague of boils" on Wendy over clause 28.

Salmond (the spiv's) raison d'etre is independence he was given the chance by Wendy and 'quit on his stool' he aint so tough after all.

The Herald, The Scotsman, The Times, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The News of the World, the TV news muppets and the other parties all have her down and out, a real parcel of rogues.
They base this on word from 'someone high up in Labour' 'some Labour insider' 'a source close to Wendy' etc. etc. meanwhile she has the support of all MSP's and the Scottish Labour exec. and I suspect a growing number of shrewd observers who are now beginning to see Salmond (the spiv) and the SNP for what they are.

Would Salmond (the spiv) have jumped at a referendum if he was confident of winning ? that's a tough one eh ? He's a charlatan and a coward.
The SNP seem to be a party with no trace of dissent whatsoever, the last person with that kind of power was Don Corleone an apt comparison for the 'spiv, maybe that's "why they fear him"

74 comments:

Chris Andrews said...

Terry,

I am delighted to note that you, like me, find personal attacks "shameful".

May your readers expect that in future you will desist from calling the First Minister a spiv, coward, bully, 'brutal prison guard' etc?

I also hope that this will extend to your commentary on the Royal Family, some of which has done no credit to you, even if you intended (a rather blunt) satire?

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...

Or maybe you're just wrong!

Scottish Labour has been turned into an object of ridicule and derision under Bendy Wendy's leadership.

Even
Douglas Fraser
of the Herald has resorted to simply making fun of them. That's as astonishing as any of Bendy's U-turns.

You're being laughed at up and down the country, but it's a press conspiracy... you couldn't make it up!

You Are Right said...

If it is McCarthyite is that an admission that just like Joe the pres s have the evidence against her and that she is actually guilty of what they allege she is?

M C G Gibson MSP said...

Councillor,

Let's turn the clock back and play 'guess the brave, principled policitian'.

Here are your clues;

1) McLeish Resigns. Our politician begins to canvas support for leadership.
2) Bravely drops leadership bid when it is clear they can't win.
3) Sadly, supporters of aborted bid now known. New leader waits, then stages 'night of long knives'.
4) Our politician decides to 'take her ball home' and resigns from Government, citing outside influences.
5) Those outside influences disappear, miraculously, at the same time McConnell resigns. Bravely mounts leadership bid.

A signed copy of 'Courage' by J G Brown for the winner!!!

Anonymous said...

so are labour in favour of a referendum or not? one day its yes the other its no

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Chris Andrews) 07:58

I have never said a thing about Salmond (the spiv) or the Royals that I believed to be anything other than 100 % accurate.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 08:04

You need to go back and read the agencies that I listed, find out what their political leanings are and then decide if they are acting in consort.

The journalist you mention is better known as ‘uncle Tom Fraser’ you are either dense or lying.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(You Are Right) 08:07

A Joe McCarthy fan, well I suppose it takes all kinds.

“guilty of what they allege she is“ ? Whit ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(M C G Gibson MSP) 10:15

I’ve never heard of you but, I’m sure I can remember Alex ‘the spiv’ Salmond resigning, abandoning his flock and running away to London with his tail between his legs, an act of braveheart courage no doubt.

When you consider that Wendy Alexander is still standing despite what she has been subjected to in the past year and what she took from your wee SNP pal ’holy’ Souter during the clause 28 battle I would say she has courage to spare.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 12:27

“What happens if the majority of Scottish people vote against Independance, what happens to the Nats then”

Sometimes the most important and difficult questions to answer are deceptively simple and this one’s a cracker, well done.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 12:33


As I understand it, right this minute Labour are in favour of a referendum immediately, Salmond (the spiv) is running away from it, you should ask him.

Reversepsycology said...

Terry:

Any chance that the Labour party also be "In favour" of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty as please!!

Macnasty said...

Terry
Alex doesn't have to 'deal' with Wendy - that's one area at least, where Gordon Brown is doing a grand job.

Do you think he works her with his foot??

Sharon said...

'What happens if the majority of Scottish people vote against Independance, what happens to the Nats then?'

Well I expect they'd go on to lose the next election and a new party would be in power in the Scottish Parliament. After that they'll be a bit of squabbling, maybe a party in disarray then eventually they'd get their act together and starting making the case for independence again and as the people of Scotland can take or leave it independence as they please I have no problem with the nationalist view being expressed, though I don't share it myself.

I'm surprised to hear you sneering at nationalism because it's less popular than unionism though. Do you honestly think if a referendum were held tomorrow to decide whether or not the UK should go socialist you'd be on the winning side? Do you think you'd be on the winning side if the future of the monarchy were to be decided by referendum now? Or how about the death penalty? The majority view isn't always the correct one.

Pointing fingers at the SNP over what is really a pretty trivial issue (the timing of a referendum) is a waste of time unless Labour are trying to show they're capable of getting down to their level.

I want to know what Labour would do about education, jobs, the economy, tourism, industry, social care, the NHS, prisons and so on if elected to the Scottish Parliament. I couldn't care less when they want to waste everyone's time and money holding referendums.

I really enjoy this blog but this endless referendum stuff is just dull political point scoring. You're at your best when writing with real passion on real issues.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


Sometimes the most important and difficult questions to answer are deceptively simple



The journalist you mention is better known as ‘uncle Tom Fraser’


Who calls him 'Uncle Tom Fraser' and why?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Reversepsycology) 14/05/08

I think that’s been dealt with, all the negotiating points were achieved rendering the referendum pointless.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Macnasty) 14/05/08

Wendy has just very publicly rejected the PM’s advice and went her own way on the subject of the referendum.

Are you unaware of this ? Honestly are you a bit dim, I really am beginning to wonder about you.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Sharon) 14/05/08

“I'm surprised to hear you sneering at nationalism because it's less popular than unionism though”

That’s not what I was doing I was ‘sneering’ at ‘nationalists’ for their cowardice and lies.

I agree entirely with what you say about referendums and the majority view, I am opposed to referendums and always have been. I believe that a General Election is the only referendum we need.

Your analysis of the future of the SNP if they lose the referendum is probably right but I think I probably wouldn’t live to see an SNP resurgence.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


You need to go back and read the agencies that I listed, find out what their political leanings are and then decide if they are acting in consort.


Here are the agencies that you listed

"The Herald, The Scotsman, The Times, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The News of the World, the TV news muppets "

I don't believe they are acting in consort, nor do I believe that they all have the same leanings.

I think that Wendy Alexander is a poor leader of the Scottish Labour party. She does not come across well on TV nor does she perform well at First Minister's questions.

I believe that these 'agencies' are simply reporting the facts as they stand and with Wendy still at the helm, Scottish Labour has been reduced to an object of ridicule.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 07:48

Google has 1.050.000 sites listed under ‘uncle Tom’ and you are unaware of the term ? Even by your own awful standards this is rather unsubtle.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 10:09

“"The Herald, The Scotsman, The Times, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The News of the World, the TV news muppets "

I don't believe they are acting in consort, nor do I believe that they all have the same leanings”

I’m happy to leave that sticking there.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...

"Google has 1.050.000 sites listed under ‘uncle Tom’ and you are unaware of the term ? Even by your own awful standards this is rather unsubtle."

According to wikipedia: Uncle Tom is a pejorative for an African American who is perceived by others as behaving in a subservient manner to White American authority figures

As far as I'm aware, Douglas Fraser has no African heritage to speak of, though I do suspect the origin's of our species to have eminated from the dark continent.

So who calls Douglas Fraser 'Uncle Tom' and why?

You do have a bit of form for making things like this up...

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 10:39

Blundered again eh.

You should really just accept that you are not nearly as clever as you think.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


Blundered again eh.

You should really just accept that you are not nearly as clever as you think.


Who calls him Uncle Tom Fraser and why?

ShrekBall said...

Terry,

You think that it is acceptable to call someone "Uncle Tom Fraser" as an insult?

How about "House Ni**er Tom Fraser"? Or is it only certain racial insults you find acceptable?

PS: I don't have a problem with my spelling, I just thought I would not provide an excuse for censorship from yourself.

Anonymous said...

I think it's because he's a prominent Glaswegian and dares not to support the Labour party - which, at least in the mind of the West of Scotland Labour dinosaur, is somehow equated with an African-American who did not support the Civil Rights movement.

Incidentally, I very much doubt that councillor Kelly has read "Uncle Tom's Cabin". I could be wrong...

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...

is this the Iain McWhirter article that has you in such a tizzy?

Can you point out where he's being even unfair in the slightest?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 15/05/08

You are a very bad loser, get over yourself and be more careful in future.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


You are a very bad loser, get over yourself and be more careful in future.



It's an honest and simple enough question, which once again you have refused to answer.

Why do you call Douglas Fraser an Uncle Tom?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 15/05/08

You really don’t understand this at all.

The original post said even he (a Labour supporter) was critical of the party. Hence ‘uncle Tom’ who showed too much deference to his slave masters. It is used everywhere by those who regard others as treacherous people.

50 Yrs. Ago, Uncle Tom’s Cabin was a standard school book, yes you are wrong.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 15/05/08

Ian McWhirter has been pursuing Wendy for about a year, he comes across as being obsessed with her, it all seems to look personal, I don’t need to read any individual article.

It's not unlike your own behaviour.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 09:19

It is most certainly not an honest question.
You are making a fool of yourself again.
We both know you’ve been rumbled, get over it.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 09:19

It is most certainly not an honest question.
You are making a fool of yourself again.
We both know you’ve been rumbled, get over it.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


it is most certainly not an honest question.


Yes it is, I've never heard Uncle Tom used outwith the Black American context and you are claiming that Douglas Fraser is better known as uncle Tom (Re-read your own post!)


You are making a fool of yourself again.


??? I realise that most people don't expect you to be able to give a straight forward answer to a question when you've been asked. Are you saying that this is correct and I am being foolish to expect that you would.


We both know you’ve been rumbled, get over it.


Rumbled?

I've no idea what you mean. You've used an out of context racist insult against a political journalist. The insult somehow implies that Douglas Fraser should be beholden to the Labour party in some way. I don't know why you should think that.

Perhaps it's just another example of Labour arrogance that expects unquestioned loyalty from all, and anyone who doesn't give it is somehow a traitor.

I think that may be why you have been so afraid to answer the question. You're right though, it is sweet to see a bully squirm in his bluster.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


Ian McWhirter has been pursuing Wendy for about a year, he comes across as being obsessed with her, it all seems to look personal, I don’t need to read any individual article.


Crikey! A political journalist writes about the leader of the Scottish Labour group... you're right! it must be a vendetta.

Wendy has demoted herself and the Labour group out of the serious pages and into the cartoon section, so McWhirter should leave well alone.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 09:45

Now that’s much better, I bet you feel better now. I hope you’ve learned from this.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 09:48

If I let you win one will you calm down ? I’m starting to get worried.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


If I let you win one will you calm down ? I’m starting to get worried.


?? Who's keeping score?

After all we've seen your arithmetic at work already and it didn't look too handy.

I guess that when the rest of the country thinks Wendy's gaffed and you think she's winning doesn't say much for your judgment either, so let's just stick with the current forumla.

You spout drivel, I'll take you to task on a simple point and we'll all enjoy you squirming out of giving a straight answer. Fun for everyone.

Anonymous said...

"Fifty years ago, Uncle tom was a standard school book, yes you are wrong. (sic)"

Indeed - before people like you got their hands on the education system and started a proccess of dumming down. Nowadays, the idea of all Scots schoolchildren reading Harriet Beecher Stowe - or, for that matter, Harper Lee or Ayn Rand - is just a joke.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 10:42

You will continue to overstretch yourself by not being as clever as you like to think, I will continue to catch you out and, no doubt I will be subjected to a barrage of comments borne out of your frustration.

I find it/you boring but carry on if you must.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 11:12

And you could go out and leave your door open in those days as well.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


I will continue to catch you out


Nice try, but let's not forget that it was you who called a respected Scottish political commentator an 'Uncle Tom' simply because he casts a critical eye over the Labour party.

Given all the drivel you normally spout about being anti-racist as well as your criticisms of America's record on race relations, it was a poorly chosen insult at best.

Also, let's not forget that your current excuse for Labour's astonishingly poor performance in the polls is that it's all a press and TV conspiracy.

You just keep catching me out with that stuff... I'll keep on laughing at you.

Macnasty said...

Terry
According to the Daily Mail today, Wendy Alexander is married to brother Douglas.

Now, I know that those of the Pictish persuasion are a decadent lot, but this is a step too far.

Please say it isn't so.

By-the bye, the columnist was also called Alexander. Is this a coincidence or are there more of the b****** than I thought?

Scottish Politics said...

Hilarious stuff Cllr. Kelly.

Not exactly surprising to see Wendy Alexander's own election agent giving her his full support. Of course, that is more than you did in the election. If I recall correctly, you didn't actually cast your vote for her?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 12:52

Uncle Tom is an insult but, it’s not a racist insult, anyone from any race colour or creed can be an ‘Uncle Tom’

The rest of your post is rehash, that’s bad for someone of your obvious intelligence.

Anonymous said...

No you couldn't, but at least about 50% of the younger generation weren't depraved yobs who ran around kiling and assaulting people without provocation, comforted by the knowledge that there were apologists like you in government to protect them.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Scottish Politics) 17:07

I’m not her election agent, no one has an election agent because there is no election, perhaps Crewe qualifies.

I didn’t vote because I forgot, I forgot because I was so busy working to get Wendy and myself elected which we successfully did. What is your point ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 18:27

Maybe your! neighbours couldn’t leave their doors unlocked, that doesn’t surprise me.

“50% of the younger generation” That’s a nice tidy figure, you can’t beat a well researched scientific argument can you.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


Uncle Tom is an insult but, it’s not a racist insult, anyone from any race colour or creed can be an ‘Uncle Tom’


Really??? Are you sure?
Did you read any of the 1.050.000 sites that you managed to find through google or did you just think that the big number won your argument for you?


The rest of your post is rehash, that’s bad for someone of your obvious intelligence.


Is that you mentioning my 'intelligence' for the 3rd time in this thread... whilst criticising me for a 'rehash' ?

Are you this funny intentionally?

Anonymous said...

It's how I feel - about my own generation.

By the way, if Douglas Fraser is "Uncle Tom", does that mean we can call you "Uncle Joe"?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 16/05/08

Your intelligence is of course a myth, your insistence on pursuing the ‘uncle Tom’ thing despite being found out and ridiculed proves that.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 12:04
We clearly have a talented satirist in our midst.

Anthony P said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 12:52

Uncle Tom is an insult but, it’s not a racist insult, anyone from any race colour or creed can be an ‘Uncle Tom’


You are wrong and it is a deeply offensive and racist term, as explained by Wikipaedia, unless of course you include Wiki in your claims of a conspiracy?

You are a racist and bigot, and using the term Uncle Tom in the way you did proves it.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anthony P) 17:33

Uncle Tom is not a racist term despite it’s origins.

Anthony P said...

(Anthony P) 17:33

Uncle Tom is not a racist term despite it’s origins.


Yes it is, unless of course you set yourself up as a reference above Wikipaedia?

You are a racist and bigot, and many of your posts, not just this one, proves it.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anthony P) 13:10

I think this is a bit above you, you are not grasping it at all.

Wikipaedia does not describe Uncle Tom as a racist insult, the term is an insult on someone’s character not their race.

Wikipaedia goes on to say that the Native Americans use a variation of this to describe a similar person from their community as an “Uncle Tomahawk” and the Mexican community use the phrase “Tia Taco” meaning ‘Uncle Taco’ to describe the same type of person, are they being racist ?

Does this help ? Or should I give up ?

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


Your intelligence is of course a myth, your insistence on pursuing the ‘uncle Tom’ thing despite being found out and ridiculed proves that.


Been found out?

If you accept that I'm a bit slow, as you obviously do, then can you please explain exactly what I've been found out about?

I point to a link.

You tell me the author is better known as "Uncle Tom".

Having never heard the term outside of African American use, I asked you who called him that and why?

My point being exactly this - why would a political journalist writing something critical of the Labour party make him an Uncle Tom?

Should he somehow be beholden to the Labour party? Is that what is expected of him? if so, Why?

Sometimes the simplest question are indeed the most difficult to answer, as you so often demonstrate.

IP

PS Ridiculed?? And I thought you found personal attacks "Shameful". Thankfully you've managed to camouflage your invective in what I had down as oafish bluster and backtracking, so no harm done.

Anthony P said...

I think this is a bit above you, you are not grasping it at all.

Nothing to grasp other than you are a racist and bigot. I read and understood perfectly what Wiki said, and it confirmed the view of your horrible character. At least the likes of the NF, scum that they are, admit they are racist, but you? No chance because you are a sad and flawed character. You don't even have the strength of character to withdraw the comment and shut your stupid fat mouth.

This is another page saved for the future and it is mounting up as we strive to rid Labour of racists and bigots like you who hide behind everyone else and call them names to hide their own bigotry and racism.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 18/05/08

You wrote “ even Douglas Fraser mocks the Labour Party” i.e. even a Labour Party supporter is mocking the party, and I say that’s an ‘Uncle Tom’ that’s what it means. You are being sill.

I think anyone reading this exchange will know what you are doing, just silly, it’s really because of your arrogance you can’t tolerate losing.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anthony P) 18/05/08

I’m sure I asked you about the insult ‘Uncle Tom’ as used by the Native Americans and the Mexican Americans. Did you miss that ? Are they racists too ?

Come on be brave, come on.

Anthony P said...

(Anthony P) 18/05/08

I’m sure I asked you about the insult ‘Uncle Tom’ as used by the Native Americans and the Mexican Americans. Did you miss that ? Are they racists too ?

Come on be brave, come on.


You didn't ask me anything and just what are you waffling about? You have been found out and now try and waffle your way out of trouble?

Wikipaedia is probably now the worlds authority as a reference on just about anything, so I will take their words for it.

You are a racist and a bigot.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


You wrote “ even Douglas Fraser mocks the Labour Party” i.e. even a Labour Party supporter is mocking the party, and I say that’s an ‘Uncle Tom’ that’s what it means.


Ah, I see.
You've entirely misunderstood the point:

Even Douglas Fraser, respected Political commentator, has resorted to out and out satire to expose the mess of Labour policy.

In any case, you did not call Douglas Fraser an Uncle Tom because of that article, you stated that he was better known as Uncle Tom.

This is why I have pursued the point and in the end we find that he's not at all better known as 'Uncle Tom'. You were using an ill chosen insult to retaliate against what you saw as an attack on the Labour party.

Fair enough, but you've been caught out AGAIN casting inaccurate slurs. I hope you'll learn from this.

IP

PS I note that the Native Americans and Mexicans use a term similar but translate it to within their own groups (uncle Tomohawk), so perhaps calling him an 'uncle Tam' would have removed the African American connotations... just a suggestion!

ShrekBall said...

Are you claiming that because Native and "mexican" americans use the Uncle Tom insult that they cannot be racist? It certainly seems that your entire "naw it isnae" defence comes down to the idea that because a minority has used a particular term it cannot be racist. As if minorities cannot be racist.

Anyone who uses "Uncle Tom" as an insult is defacto guilty of using racist language.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anthony P) 19/05/08

“You didn't ask me anything and just what are you waffling about”

Oh yes I did. You are a blatant liar.

My post in response to you of “Sunday, May 18 2008 3:23 00 pm” would appear to contradict you.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 08:07

“Even Douglas Fraser, respected Political commentator” Ah ! I see you didn’t mean Douglas Fraser known labour supporter ?
I wonder why you chose him over all the other mocking journalists, that will have to remain a mystery. Still you nearly got round to telling the truth, that’s progress for you.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(ShrekBall) 12:49

Anyone can be racist but the use of this term by these people is not racist because the term is a character insult not a race insult.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...

I wonder why you chose him over all the other mocking journalists, that will have to remain a mystery.


No mystery, he was the author of the article which I originally linked, as I do here again for your benefit.

If he is indeed a known Labour supporter then I understand the 'Uncle Tom' Barb, as much as I think it's a bit inappropriate.

The article made me laugh but also surprised me that it was pure and simple satire ripping the proverbial from Labour's U-turns, rather than anything more thought provoking - Most of the other articles I'd read, pointed out that although the execution of the policy was comedic and woeful, there was the possiblity that calling the SNP bluff could have been a good move, had it been better orchestrated.

Now I know that Labour had expected Douglas Fraser to be more supportive of them, I can better judge his articles. Thankyou.

Anthony P said...

(Anthony P) 19/05/08

“You didn't ask me anything and just what are you waffling about”

Oh yes I did. You are a blatant liar.

My post in response to you of “Sunday, May 18 2008 3:23 00 pm” would appear to contradict you.


Now I get what you were waffling about, but it then makes your stupidity even worse!

You are saying, very clearly, that it is fine for me to call someone ni**er, because a black person might call one of their own race a ni**er, now I see what you are saying.

I'll remember that next time someone calls me racist and refer them to you and they should ignore Wiki.

Sad racist bigot you are.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anthony P) 16:28

“You are saying, very clearly, that it is fine for me to call someone ni**er, because a black person might call one of their own race a ni**er, now I see what you are saying”

No you still haven’t got it. You (assuming you’re white) calling a black person n****r is racist, not so if you are black, it goes on all the time in America, the black population treat it as a private joke.

“Uncle Tom” and “Boy” between black Americans however is a grave character insult but not racist, the same as if I called you these things.

Uncle Tom to us here would be a crawler, of any colour, and ‘Boy’ would be a subservient person of any colour.

You still haven’t answered my question about whether the Native Americans and the Mexican Americans are racist for using the Uncle Tom insult to describe people from their own community who are crawlers and subservient.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 15:48

“If he is indeed a known Labour supporter then I understand the 'Uncle Tom' Barb, as much as I think it's a bit inappropriate”

Hopes dashed again, and you were oh so close to telling the truth. Maybe in the future eh ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 15:48

“If he is indeed a known Labour supporter then I understand the 'Uncle Tom' Barb, as much as I think it's a bit inappropriate”

Hopes dashed again, and you were oh so close to telling the truth. Maybe in the future eh ?

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


Hopes dashed again, and you were oh so close to telling the truth. Maybe in the future eh ?


I think we've got to the truth.

Clearly you think that Douglas Fraser should only be writing articles favouring the Labour party - anything is else is considered 'treachery'.

Why you think that the political editor of the Herald should be beholden to the Labour party or that Labour should be immune from criticism is a matter for yourself, but at least the Daily Record will stay faithful to your wee cause, without the demands of intellectual rigour.

We'll put the 'better known as' down to a wee Terry moment, where the truth isn't actually as important as most people hold it to be.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 20/05/08

“Clearly you think that Douglas Fraser should only be writing articles favouring the Labour party - anything is else is considered 'treachery'“
No. and you’re getting desperate, if I thought that how would I explain away my regular criticism of my own party ?

As I said you got close to telling the truth but you might get another chance, learn from it and show some courage.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...

Why should this man not be allowed to critically appraise the Labour party, without being subject to your inappropriate insults?


Douglas Fraser has been Scottish political editor at The Herald since August 2004, and was political editor of the Sunday Herald for five years before that.

He is a regular commentator on radio and TV. With degrees from Oxford and Harvard, his journalism has also included seven years at The Scotsman, covering education, the Highlands and Islands, and as arts and features editor. He has also covered Scottish politics for the Sunday Times and the Observer. He was editor of Edinburgh Festival magazine for three years, and was co-author of the Political Guide to Modern Scotland, published by Politico's in 2004.