Wednesday, September 05, 2007

HENRY CRUN - A TRULY, DEEPLY UGLY PERSON

Henry Crun is the name that this person hides behind, he talks tough but does so from a position of anonymity, that's another way of describing a coward.

He doesn't like what I write about Nelson Mandela so, from his hiding place he sends me comments which are repulsive and nothing but foul mouthed rants, he sounds in fact like a white South African apartheid supporter, a real storm trooper, remember the words of the song ? 'I've never met a nice South African'

Write again Henry Crun and if you try to resemble a human being, I will, as I do with everyone else answer you, I may need to wash afterwards but I will answer you.

132 comments:

RfS said...

What name is he posting as? I cannot see a Henry Crun in the Mandela thread, or am I looking in the wrong place? Is he using the Anonymous flag on his username? In which case is he just signing off with that name?

I just can't see him on that thread.

Byeck said...

C'mon Henry, lets hear from you. It'll be a change to have 'repulsive rants' coming from someone other than our Terry

Karla said...

Take no notice of Crun, he's most likely just out for a reaction.

Surreptitious Evil said...

Clearly the "Goon Show" was never one of your favourites?

I suspect you are being "wahhed".

Jackart said...

I like this Henry Crun. Can we see some of his work please?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - This is clearly too complicated for you.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Byeck - We are privileged to have you contacting us.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

jackart - 'henry crun' ? if he learns to behave himself like you I will print it, just as I do with everyone.

Rumbold said...

Councillor:

I could not find a Henry Crun either. He sounds despicable.

RfS's questions were not stupid- it was not clear whether you posted Henry Crun's comment, or blocked it. Is Henry Crun the second poster, at Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:24:00 PM?

Anonymous said...

What's he said? I can't find his comments either.

Patrick

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

rumbold - RFS was pretending to be innocent, he knows perfectly well that I won't print filth because I treated him the same way at first, you should look into his past blogs and you will see what I mean.

Whoever he is, he can write back if he wants but it has to be printable, I suspect that he, like RFS will be hampered by that.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Patrick - see my reply to rumbold.

RfS said...

At first you published all my comments and then made me the subject of a post.

You then deleted a couple of comments where I attempted to explore the word rascist but I have never been banned.

Now clarewil, there is a girl who has to post anonymous these days!!!

Surreptitious Evil said...

Should I feel left out that you didn't randomly insult me, as is your established tradition? Or were you trying to work out what "wahhed" means?

I take it you do now realise that whoever you have outed as "Henry Crun" is really a pseudonym?

Interestingly, pseudonymous though most of us are, we are actually really interested in correct attribution. So we would really quite like to know who this geezer is. Would you help, please?

BTW - that is 4 questions posed unto thee. Answers to each and all would be lovely but even one would be gratifying.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - Just you continue to behave yourself and you will be OK - no more filth, no more sleaze, you've come on well since I first dealt with you.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

surr. evil - Henry Crun ?

1/ I don't 'randomly insult' anyone I do however retaliate, if I were to let the likes of you insult me with impunity I would die of shame, see, that was an insult, am I being to rough on you ? If you don't like me retaliating then etc.
2/ wahhed ? I haven't tried to find out so, mmm you work it out.
3/ 'outed' did he want to be a secret do you think ? No I was convinced he was real, honestly, definitely real, you bet.
4/ 'you are really interested in correct attribution' you're really quite decent and honourable, all of you I'm devastated.

RfS said...

Your funny.

Henry Crun said...

I am real, you betcha.

So why won't you publish my comments. Are you that insecure in your socialist delusions that my comments would rock the foundations of your "faith".

Go on, don't be a coward. Publish my comments and respond accordingly.

My contention still stands though that you are so entrenched in believing the half-truths about "nasty, white" South-Africans that you are unable to face the reality of the situation from those that experienced the atrocities first hand.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - ' Your contention' is wrong and, now that you have washed out your foul mouth with soap you will be published.

Remember Henry you're not in S.A. now waving a whip at a cringing black child.

Jim said...

"Remember Henry you're not in S.A. now waving a whip at a cringing black child. "


I hadn't realised until now what a pernicious racist you are Terry. Right up til this time, I'd treated you with humour. I saw you as misguided rather than vicious. That's changed now. That last comment was every bit as bad as saying to a Muslim, "You're not in Iraq now, beheading hostages."

You have whined non-stop about the way others have attacked your views. You've been called anti-semitic. I defended you on that charge. Not this time.

I hope anyone reading this who runs their own blog will spread the word. This man is no longer a sad little joke. He's a vile racist and ought to be exposed as such.

Jim Lewis

Jackart said...

You are every bit as bigoted and hate-filled as those you affect to despise. It's just you hate Whitey and the Joos. Let's look at some quotes:

"Remember Henry you're not in S.A. now waving a whip at a cringing black child."

"I've never met a Nice South African"

These are hardly statement of liberal humanist rationality are they now? But then you're so stupid that you barely register as human, so you can be forgiven for failing to see the Irony.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Jim - you just can't stop yourself can you ? How many humiliations do you want, is there an explanation in there somewhere ?

I have refused to publish two of 'Henry Crun's' comments, You are clearly not concerned why, does that show your bias or just more of your typical blundering about.

RfS said...

"You are clearly not concerned why"

We all are, but the point is that we just have your word for the crudeness of his comment and then you go and write this hatred.

From your recent actions you are clearly not a trustworthy source so we are not taking your word for it.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

jackart - you're angry with me right ? you're an angry racist right ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - Jackart, Jim Lewis, Henry Crun and RFS are upset by my language !

Jackart says I fail to see the irony - nuff said.

RfS said...

Not upset. Just pointing and calling out "hypocrite". I mean, after all, who gets upset at freedom of speech?

C4' said...

"I've never met a Nice South African"

Does that also include a certain hero of mine called Nelson Mandela?

Has Wendy Alexander seen your piss-poor blog yet?

Jim Lewis said...

" have refused to publish two of 'Henry Crun's' comments, You are clearly not concerned why, does that show your bias or just more of your typical blundering about. "

I can only reply to what I read. You made an overtly racist statement. That is fact. You can' hide no longer. All your bluster, all your righteous indignation, all of it is for nothing. Like I said, I defended you against the accusation of anti-semitism, because what you said was not anti-semitic, ratjher it was a political attack on the foreign policy of Israel. This time your idiotic rantings have taken on a new and more sinister aspect. You are a racist. You may throw the word at others, but your racism is confirmed. You hate your own race.

Henry Crun said...

Kelly, you have just exposed yourself for the racist you really are. Have you ever been to Africa.

"waving a whip at a cringing black child"

You still don't get it do you. The only one's waving the sjamboks were Mandelas harpy wife and her thugs, Mandela FC. Just ask Stopie Sepei's mother who the whip waving racists were.

C4' said...

Have I been banned from commenting on your blog Comrade Kelly?

Fidothedog said...

Terry you see this by Castro?

http://www.plenglish.com/
article.asp?ID={E785ACBD
-EC59-497D-9C95-13B0C8A12
CFB})&language=EN

That painful incident occurred six years ago today. Today, we know that the public was deliberately misinformed. I don"t recall any talk, that day, of the fact that, in the basements of those towers, whose higher floors housed the banks of multinational corporations and other offices, lay nearly 200 tons in gold bars. An order to shoot to death anyone who attempted to get to the gold had been issued. The calculations with respect to the steel structures, plane impacts, the black boxes recovered and what they revealed do not coincide with the opinions of mathematicians, seismologists, information, demolition experts and others. What is most shocking is the claim that we may never know what actually happened. It is known, however, that a number of people en route to San Francisco from New Jersey, had conversations with their relatives when the air vessels were already under the control of individuals who were not members of the crew.

An analysis of the impact of planes similar to those against the towers, following accidental plane crashes in densely-populated cities, concludes that no plane crashed against the Pentagon and that only a projectile could have created the geometrically round hole that the alleged plane created. No passenger that perished there has turned up, either. No one in the world questioned the news about the attack on the Pentagon building. We were deceived, as were the rest of the planet"s inhabitants.

So do you think it was all staged?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - If you and those others use the language that you do and then complain about someone's bad language you are hypocrites, right ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

c4' ' I've never met a nice S.A.' was a line from a song sung by Gryff Rhys Jones and Mel Smith in the satirical show 'not the nine o clock news'

Maybe you are too young or perhaps you're not quick enough for satire.

About the quality of my blog ? If it gets much more popular I'll have to employ a secretary.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Jim Lewis - You are a seriously confused man, I have never been called a racist by anyone except you and a few other knuckle dragging right wingers so, I'll live with it.

Can I remind you again, because you say something is 'confirmed' does not make it so.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun. As I said to Jim Lewis being called names by people like you is a badge of honour.

You are an apologist for evil, anyone who can talk about S.A. Under Apartheid and condemn the black population is in a very bad way, What kind of person are you ?

Your language is borderline so watch it, I'll remind you again you're no longer strutting around as a white supremacist, no longer above the law, no longer able to treat black people as inferior human beings - it's eating you up isn't it.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

c4' - 'banned' not deliberately, I might have removed something because of language.

Re-submit it.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Fidothedog - That would be 'George Jefferson Lincoln Castro' of the CIA then ?

Pathetic.

Byeck said...

Councillor
I dont know how to break the news, but Mandela F.C. are really thugs, not a football team and Winnie isn't Sir Alex in drag

It's a matter of record that Winnie Mandela was no Mother Theresa. She was more the Mad Axewoman of the Townships, giving her own people the hard word.

So,why are you giving Henry a hard time for mentioning it?

Jackart said...

Tired and lazy, Terry. If anyone disagrees with you, you sling an insult at them.

Some of your critics are pinkos of one flavour or another, we are not all "right wing thugs".

Face it Terry, you're legendary all over the political blogosphere as a byword for sophilistic argument, personal insult and crass stupidity.

Check my blog. How many readers? How many negative comments (and no moderation either)? Can so many people be wrong that you are right.

Jim Lewis said...

"Remember Henry you're not in S.A. now waving a whip at a cringing black child. "


No hiding place Terry. Racism confirmed.

Abiola said...

You shouldn't really refer to the 'black population of South Africa'. It's considered offensive. In reality the black population are made up of many culturally distinct groups and prefer to be seen as such.

BTW I think Desmond Tutu is far more deserving of a statue than Mandela. Not that I dislike Mandela I'm just not confortable with his secular saint status in view of the organisation he belongs to. Their record for violence and pandering to superstition and ignorance is breathtaking. For example they have done little to tackle AIDS and have exploited ignorance in the townships for their own political ends. They were once a great admirable organisation but not so in recent times.

Wikipedia gives a good potted history of their decline.

Fidothedog said...

Well Castro stated a theory, check the link out yourself.

All I asked was do you agree with Castro?

C4' said...

If your such a champion of the Africans and hate the evil white man, perhaps you should consider 'blacking up' as a minstral

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Byeck - It's really quite simple - anyone who discusses Apartheid S.A. from a stance which concentrates on the wrong doings of Winnie Mandela and the ANC, ignoring the evils of the S.A. Regime is, defacto, a racist thug e.g. You and Henry.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

jackart - I still can't say for sure if you are being ironic with this insults stuff or if you really are such a total eejit.

You're modest too I see.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

jim lewis - OK since it's you I'll indulge you.

Tell me why I'm a racist give me some detail of how you arrived at that conclusion.

What is it in your last comment that shows me to be a racist ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

People have been using the term Black S.A. For as long as I can remember and it certainly isn't regarded as a racist remark.

I respect Tu Tu as well but, my understanding of Mandela and the ANC does not agree with you, you clearly have a locus in this subject and you are entitled to your opinion but my opinion of Mandela remains the same.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Fido - read some of my previous posts and comments - Castro has been dealt with.

By the way did you see the Guardian report into the Cuban Health Service, it's a cracker.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

A measured, thoughtful contribution, what's a 'minstral'

LangTate said...

' I've never met a nice S.A.' was a line from a song sung by Gryff Rhys Jones and Mel Smith in the satirical show 'not the nine o clock news'

No, it is a line from a song from the satirical show "Spitting Image".

Please try and get even the simple facts correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I've_Never_Met_A_Nice_South_African

Fidothedog said...

Still not an answer there Terry, do you agree with Castro re 9/11?

abiola said...

I didn't mean to say I thought you were racist. I don't belive you are. Though I think you should apologise to Mr Crun for your comment. I'm black and I don't find him racist in what I've seen of his comments so far. Maybe you should publish the hidden ones to let us see what has frightend you.

I'm Nigerian by birth and lived there until 2002, although I'm now a Scottish Citizen (My husband is English, my mother is from Eritea and my father is Nigerian -it's a long story), so I feel like I'm a little bit from everywhere!

I don't think people in the U.K fully understand South Africa. What my friends in South Africa of all the black tribes think of the ANC is much less sympathetic that what many good people think in Scotland. The trouble is they have dominated the politics there for so long they have swamped effective opposition. They are like a career for aspiring politicians and they have some nasty nasty people in their ranks as well as many good folk (even people in my party).

The news in Scotland in it's coverage of Africa is poor quality. That is why people still think the ANC are angels. They started out well but went into decline. I wish you could see news from Africa to understand what I mean. Sadly there is little understanding of African culture anywhere I have lived in the U.K. Everyone just sees our continent as charity. Decent government and less interference is all we need.

Finally I would like to extend my thanks to the Labour Party activists who stood up to one of their number who racially abused me when I was canvassing for the SNP. Even though I was from a different part I was treated very well by these people. Thougfh I still think their sandwiches were rotten!!!! They expelled the racist from their ranks and called the police even though he was with them and they hate my party and beliefs. Such humanity.

There are decent people of all politics and we need to remember that more.

Juliette said...

What do you make of 'gut socialist' Gordon Brown cosying up to Thatcher?

RfS said...

Compare and Contrast:

" anyone who discusses Apartheid S.A. from a stance which concentrates on the wrong doings of Winnie Mandela and the ANC, ignoring the evils of the S.A. Regime is, defacto, a racist thug"

"By the way did you see the Guardian report into the Cuban Health Service, it's a cracker. "

Anyone who discusses Cuba from a stance that concentrates on Guardian articles on the health service while ignoring the torture and jailing of dissidents, homosexuals and political enemies is de facto a fascist thug. Discuss.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

langtate - what in god's name are you about, what is the point in writing something like this ?

Why would anyone want to take the time and effort to do this, I can only conclude that you are an absolute weirdo.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Fido I've answered this, it might not be the answer you wanted but, if you want to believe this nonsense then go ahead - you must be desperate.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

abiola - I have removed Henry Crun's his first two posts which were obscene and racist, I have told him that I will print him if he continues to behave like a member of the human race, I can't be fairer than that, my instinct was to have no more to do with him but, we will see.

As far as British people understanding S.A. Is concerned there are a great many who understand it perfectly well and have spent all our adult lives supporting the cause.

Your story about being racially abused is incredible, I have been a member of the L.P. For approx. 40 yrs. And I have never heard a L.P. Member do that, never ever.

I find it strange to hear of anyone who is concerned about racism while being a member of the SNP - The SNP would not exist if it wasn't for the Anti English glue which holds them together.

They are fundamentally driven by their hatred of all things English, they now hide behind language like 'London rule' 'Westminster diktat' 'orders from down south' but they are the same bunch.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

juliette - a good question brief and clear, a diamond among the drivel that I get sent.

Politics is a funny old game isn't it. I'll give you the truth some people believe that anything goes in this struggle even cosying up to Thatcher.

Can you think who wins here and who loses ? Gordon wins and Cameron loses right ?

That's why I couldn't do what he is doing, if it was up to me I wouldn't spit on the evil old B------ if she was on fire.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS fresh and innovative as ever what an original mind.

We seem to have a fundamental disagreement here, one which would I think be regarded by most people as exhausted but, not in your world eh ?

I still wonder about your thought processes, still, let's let others decide, I'm happy with that.

Henry Crun said...

"abiola - I have removed Henry Crun's his first two posts which were obscene and racist"

Yet again, you refuse to publish my original comments and allow the contributors here decide whether they are "obscene" and "racist".

Then again, isn;t that typical socialist behavior, deciding what is and what isn't "acceptable" for people to read lest it somehow contradict your beliefs. Obviously you are so insecure in your own convictions that the opinion of another, which you continue to withold, might just show you up for what you are.

Byeck said...

Councillor
Crikey Terry - you've now pegged Abiola, a Nigerian/Eritrean as a racist lunatic.

Is no-one safe?

Abiola, welcome to a small,but growing band of Free Spirits who've got up the Councillor's nose.

Jim Lewis said...

"Remember Henry you're not in S.A. now waving a whip at a cringing black child. "


You pigeon holed Henry as a white South African, stereotyping him as a racist. You made assumptions based on his colour. This in fact makes you a racist. QED.

Jim Lewis said...

"As far as British people understanding S.A. Is concerned there are a great many who understand it perfectly well and have spent all our adult lives supporting the cause."

And that, Abiola, is what will allow this racist to totally ignore the fact that you come from a continent he's never been within a thousand miles of, and yet still have huge expertise in its politics, unlike you. who only come from there. A word of advice. Don't attempt to engage this man in debate, he doesn't do debate. You see in Terryworld, fpr you to be even partly right, he would have to be partly wrong, and that will not be allowed to happen.

abiola said...

I don't understand why you have turned so unplesant.

1. I have never encountered any racism in the SNP. My English husband was a member long before I was and he hasn't encountered any prejudice or bigotry. The members of the Labour party felt exactly the same when they helped out after one of them racially abused me. That day I felt we were all human beings together. Perhaps the man shouting the abuse felt I was fair game or less than human because I'm SNP.

2. I will not be lectured by a white man about what is and isn't racist. Whatever you've encountered I'll gaurentee I've had worse. Black skin can be a terrible burden, though I wouldn't change it however much you wish I would. My story is not incredible. Do you call rape victims liars as well?

3. No you do not understand South Africa as well as an African. It is arrogant to think you can. I don't claim to understand Scotland as well as the natives, I am only a resident. You observe Africa and have opinions but you need to live there to know the place. The people are the m,ost important factor in politics. Don't you agree?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

henry crun - I have now posted your last three posts and I will continue to post what you write no matter how stupid it is.

As long as you continue to act like a human being, what's wrong with that ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

byeck - 'I have just called Abiola a racist lunatic' really ?

Someone is definately getting up someone's nose right ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

jim lewis - weak, even by your feeble standards.

I made assumptions about henry crun based on what he wrote to me and I stand by them.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Jim Lewis - That's not very brave is it ? Are you now reduced to bypassing me and begging others to agree with you ?

Pathetic - and, you need to re-read this one as well.

Henry Crun said...

"henry crun - I have now posted your last three posts

Yet you still refuse to publish the original comments reagrding Nelson Mandela. Why?

"and I will continue to post what you write no matter how stupid it is."

I'm honoured, stupidity being the primary criteria for your own posts.

Byeck said...

Councillor
"Abiola pegged as racist lunatic."

Your reply to me was weak even by your standards.

Based on your track record, the implication in your response to Abiola, was that, given her association with that well known racist organisation, the SNP, she too must be racist.

Following on from that, as, in your lexicon, the term 'racist' is usually followed by either 'moron' or 'thug,' being a generous soul, I simply thought I would give you a new word.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry crun - I've already explained why I didn't publish your first two posts, you might well think that that kind of language is acceptable but I don't, you should not judge others by the unsavoury standards which you were clearly brought up with.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

1/ Abiola - I haven't turned unpleasant, I'm sorry you think so. You may not have experienced racism in the SNP but I have - do you really think that someone would regard you as less than human because you are in the SNP ? I don't believe you do and, I'm left to wonder why you would say such a thing.

2/ I'm not aware of 'lecturing you on what is and isn't racist' but I will continue to voice my opinion on racism as I see fit.
You might well have been through racism but that doesn't make you unique, you say that I would like you to 'change the colour of your skin' and ask if I call rape victims liars as well, implying that I called you a liar, all three of these assertions are untrue, perhaps you should reconsider what you have said here.

3/ I agree that the people are the most important thing in politics, the rest of what you say in this para. is, in my opinion, highly subjective and doesn't really constitute an argument.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry - this is disappointing one week or so and this is the best you can do, I believe that the SNP is anti English and that they have racists in their midst of an anti English kind, I have never said that being a member of the SNP makes you a racist.

Try harder.

C4' said...

Do you realise Cllr Kelly that when you accused Henry Crun of whipping cringing black children, you were also unwittingly(?)inferring that Mr. Crun also sexual abused children in South Africa, since whipping someone has become culturally associated S&M eroticism.

Setting aside your opinions of Mr. Crun (which I totally disagree with), you should apologise to Mr. Crun for being at the very least for reckless and libellous langauge you have used to express you disapproval of Mr. Crun.

You also owe RfS and myself a similar such apology for you previous inferences of paedophilla against us.

Henry Crun said...

If, as you so contend that my original posts were offensive, in what way were they offensive? Or is it just that anything *you* disagree with is considered offensive?

Again, I challenge you to publish those original comments and let the other commentators here decide whether or not they are offensive/obscene/racist (delete as applicable).

Fidothedog said...

No, I asked if you believe it? After all Castro said it...

Jim Lewis said...

"Henry - this is disappointing one week or so and this is the best you can do, I believe that the SNP is anti English and that they have racists in their midst of an anti English kind, I have never said that being a member of the SNP makes you a racist.

Try harder."

Let's examine that bit of backpedalling. You state that the SNP is anti English. You believe being anti English to be racist (your words here, not mine). Ergo, to be a member of the SNP is to be racist. Come on Terry, you love to throw the word coard around, but who's the biggest coward? At least have the courage to stand by your own claims, or do us all a favour and for Gawd's sake shut up.

By the way, I wasn't looking for approval or support from Abiola. She's clearly smart enough to have worked out for herself what an intellectualy lightweight, semi-literate, pretend socalist you are. I was just trying to save her some time to come to the conclusion the sock puppet obviously hasn't yet.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

C4' - I clearly don't know as much as you lot about S&M and I will leave you to your gutter as far as that is concerned.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - I am prepared to publish if what I'm sent is printable, I have now published four of your posts, well done to you, you have cleaned up your act.

If you are able to make your points without being obscene or racist then get on with it and stop squirming

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Fidothedog - I find it difficult to believe anything you say about Castro, I regard you as a simple dupe.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Jim Lewis - you did try to enlist the sympathy of Abiola just as you did with the pathetic episode with RFS, because you just aren't able to do it on your own, because you're a coard.

I state that the SNP's raison d'ĂȘtre is their anti Englishness, that is why they exist - you say that to be a member of the SNP is to be a racist not me, I said that there are people in the SNP who are guilty of anti English racism, maybe the difference is, like most things too subtle for you. Still too long !

Jim Lewis said...

Have it your way. You always do.

Henry Crun said...

Again (god this is getting tedious), I challenge you to publish those original comments (whether you deem them racist or no) and allow this forum to decide whether or not I am being racist or obscene.

Or is that too democratic for your socialist sensitivities? By censoring the original posts you deny the right of others to make an informed judgement.

Henry Crun said...

"I said that there are people in the SNP who are guilty of anti English racism,"

If the SNP are guily of anything, it's xenophobia, not racism. The English are not a race nor are we even a nationality; our passports define us as British.

Racism though is such an easy flag to fly and you fly it oh so well.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Jim Lewis - come on Jim don't take the hump - even you could improve.

Jim Lewis said...

Terry I could never get the hump with you. Your opinions would have to matter. You're just too damned entertaining. I think you could follow Gorgeous George into show business.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - we agree about something this is tedious - still you are maintaining good behaviour, well done.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - I think you will find that my use of the word racism here is consistent with many others who agree with me.

A nice convoluted argument about xenophobia as opposed to racism would be just the job for muddying the waters wouldn't it Henry, not very subtle are you ?

People who object to being called racist should moderate their language - 'if the cap fits Henry'

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

jim Lewis - 'getting the hump' for someone whose opinions don't matter you seem to spend a lot of time arguing with me about them.

Henry Crun said...

As evasive as ever, and you still haven't answered any questions or published my original comments. Teflon Tony must be a great role model for you.

Why do you still refuse to publish my original comments?

Why do you refuse other posters/commentators the right to decide for themselves whether my original comments are racist or obnoxious?

Is this just another socialist trait, where you are judge and jury deciding guilt without a fair hearing?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - Still behaving like a human being, well done. As far as I'm aware you have asked the same question several times and I have answered it.

'Acting as Judge & Jury and deciding on guilt without a fair hearing' weren't they the days eh ? back in S.A. Under the Apartheid jackboot, are you feeling nostalgic ?

C4' said...

I think you will find that my use of the word racism here is consistent with many others who agree with me.

Who exactly agrees with you on this issue, Josef Gobbels? Richard Nixon? Tony Blair? Walter Mitty?

If your so confident that Mr. Crun made some racist remarks, then you won't be afraid to provides with the proof.

If this were a court of law, your claims would thrown out by a judge because you have refused to provide proof of your case against the defence.

Remember Tel, we have a princple in this country that you socialists hate; innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Provide the proof behind your claims because you are turning a man who is currently persumed innocent into another martyr like Clairewil

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(C4') - I am not going to print what henry crun wrote because I am not prepared to have such vicious racist bile on my site, you cretins might have been dragged up with no standards but I wasn't.

Why don't you get in touch with him and let him tell you, I'm sure you would get on famously. Have I turned clairwil into a martyr ? Good god you people are easily pleased

Henry Crun said...

"Acting as Judge & Jury and deciding on guilt without a fair hearing' weren't they the days eh ? back in S.A. Under the Apartheid jackboot, are you feeling nostalgic ?"

I find it interesting that the very people who campaigned aginst Detention Without Trial in SA are now advocating the same system for suspected Islamic terrorists in this country. It must make you sick to your ample stomach to be associated with the Labour Party>

Henry Crun said...

"Acting as Judge & Jury and deciding on guilt without a fair hearing' weren't they the days eh ?"

Certainly, just ask your mates in the ANC - they were certainly big fans of being judge, jury and executioner.

Ever seen a necklacking victim, Terry? Course not, your sort would run a mile in the opposite direction rather than help a fellow human being?

Henry Crun said...

" As far as I'm aware you have asked the same question several times and I have answered it."

No you haven't and you continue accuse me of using "racist bile"!

Please provide the proof of this.

Publish those comments. Surely even a socialist understands the tenets of free speech, even though you don't agree with the sentiment.

Why do you continue to refuse others the right to decide for themselves?

RfS said...

So after getting a song from Spitting Image mixed up and a Tory MP's name wrong (While claiming he is so famous his name is a byword for corruption) you refuse to publish any proof.

That means you lied about this whole thing and have dragged Henry's name through the mud.

C4' said...

I am not going to print what henry crun wrote because I am not prepared to have such vicious racist bile on my site, you cretins might have been dragged up with no standards but I wasn't.

Oh dear me, what a strong words you use. Remember Terry, you're not in the council chambers now, insulting and psychically intimidating cringing SNP councillors.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - Not quite as polite but, I don't advocate detention without trial and if you read about me on the head of this blog you'll see I don't speak for the labour party, just like a great many other party members.

Does my ample stomach have anything to do with it - have you forgotten the appearance of the white S,A. Supremacists with the ample stomachs rolling over the khaki shorts with the pistol at the side, think 'Eugene Terre Blanche' can't you feel the burning shame ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

henry crun - Is there an argument here somewhere ? how many black people were imprisoned and hanged by the S.A. Fascists ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry crun - been done.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - I asked some people around me and they agreed that it was Smith & Jones who sang that and I got your pal Hamilton's first name wrong so, we're back to the missing commas and spelling mistakes you really are a mighty debater aren't you.

I think that Henry's name, like yours, was in the mud before he came across me.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

c4' I had an idea you would spot yourself in that remark - if the cap fits eh ?

Henry Crun said...

Eugene Terreblanche - oh please!

Stop trying to paint me as being an apologist for apartheid. Just print the original comments and stop dancing around the handbags.

At no time did I ever say that apartheid was right, nor did I align myself with it. However, Mandela must accept his share of the blame for the atrocities perpetrated in the townships and rural communities up and down the country.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - anyone who talks about S.A. Under apartheid and concentrates on the what you call Mandela's responsibilities for atrocities in the townships is IMO a de facto racist and apologist for apartheid. Also, I'm not really interested in what you look like, it's the poison in your mind that disgusts me, far far uglier than any human appearance.

The original comments argument is over maybe you should learn from it, try to acquire some standards.

Henry Crun said...

"I don't speak for the labour party, just like a great many other party members."

Maybe not, nor do I speak for the South African National Party or the Afrikaanse Weerstandsbeweging but you have quite happily painted me as guilty by association.

You however, as a member of the Labour Party MUST be guilty by association.

Henry Crun said...

"anyone who talks about S.A. Under apartheid and concentrates on the what you call Mandela's responsibilities for atrocities in the townships is IMO a de facto racist and apologist for apartheid."

Your logic is completely twisted.

My original comments, which you continue to refuse to publish to allow others to judge for themselves, merely pointed out that Mandela is not the saint you would have us all believe.

Unlike you, I was there. I saw with my own eyes the pain and suffering caused by both sides.

My friends in SA both black and white know that we all did our level best to be as even handed as possible. I may have worn the uniform of the SADF but that does not make me an apologist of any sort. As a medic I did my job.

I notice that you give no credit for the medical services provided by the SADF in the township clinics and hospitals when it was too dangerous for staff to go to work - when they were prevented from doing so by Winnie's gangsters. Or the vaccination programmes we carried out in the rural and border areas, or the tropical disease control stations set up in Angola, Zambia, Congo and Zaire.

No, you would only focus on the nasty Nationalist Afrikaners. That's like calling all Germans Nazis.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - Strange kind of logic, but not really an argument.

Still you have cleaned out your mouth so that's something.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - so that's it, you were the good Nazi, well, who'd have thunk it ? Not only are you still concentrating on Mandela's atrocities, but you admit to wearing the uniform of the SADF have you no shame ? you were only obeying orders then, right ? You forgot to mention the hangings and beatings in your glory list.

Henry Crun said...

"but you admit to wearing the uniform of the SADF have you no shame ? you were only obeying orders then, right ?"

No, obeying the laws of the land that decreed me eligible for national service. Did I serve with pride? Yes.

Yet you continually focus on the negative - South Africa + white person = racist. You still haven't answered the question: Have you ever been to South Africa?

Your constant evasion leads me to assume you haven't and therefore continue with your ill-informed and bigoted opinions.

As for me, my conscience is clear and I consider this correspondence closed. There's no point arguing with a mormon, sorry moron.

Anonymous said...

You forgot to mention the hangings and beatings in your glory list.

Mr. Crun already know that, it goes without saying. So stop slurring his name, you ametuer statesman-wannbe.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - What you really mean henry is that you're beaten but, just for the record, S.A. + white person does not = racist - Henry Crun + his attitude = racist.

I don't remember being asked if I had been to S. A. I might have ignored the question as being irrelevant and still do.

I now find myself being called a bigot and a moron by a white racist ex member of the SADF I am a happy man.

Good riddance to you, everyone has a clear conscience who was 'only obeying orders'
I feel the need to wash my hands after corresponding with you.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

anon - henry Crun ? thank you for those measured comments.

RfS said...

How can you not remember? You approve every post on this site Terry and I remember it quite clearly.

And for the record several of your comments here from you do not distinguish between the white man and the SADF or the white man and Crun's attitude (which you have never posted so we must assume you have blown this out of all proportions).

End of Thread report: Terry must try harder, D -

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - I assume you are referring to my last reply to henry Crun, I don't remember and I saved myself time by telling him what I would probably have done, and still would.

re - submit your second para. So I can understand it.

Anonymous said...

Henry Crun - Just wondering if you had any thoughts on this Zuma chap? It appears he might be gathering pace for the SA elections in 2009.

Patrick

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Patrick - I'm aware of him having a long history in the 'movement' but I'm not up to speed with S.A. Internal politics, I tend to take more of an interest when the campaign is on.

Do you know anything about him ?

Anonymous said...

Do you know anything about him ?

No, not much. I was hoping Henry Crun might answer, seeing as he is more likely to know than any of us.

Patrick

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Patrick - there is no shortage of information on him.

Henry Crun said...

Dear anon,

It ws announced today that Jacob Zuma, ANC deputy will be charged with corruption.

Same circus, different clowns.

Henry Crun said...

TK,

What happened to my last post. Or do you conveniently ignore it now that I have revealed that my partner is black?

Lydia is very upset that you did not post it.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - I wonder where he learned that, after all those years under the corrupt white supremacist rule - Voerword, de Clerk, Smuts they have left their mark haven't they.

Henry Crun said...

"After all those years under the corrupt white supremacist rule - Voerword, de Clerk, Smuts they have left their mark haven't they."

Oh dear! Poor old TK clutching at straws. I suggest you go and read a few history books.

Smuts was the most inclusive Premier SA ever had and had long since lost power to the Nationalists when Apartheid was introduced. Smuts was often attacked by the Afrikaners for being to chummy with black people. But that doesn't fit in with your misguided SA White=racist theory.

De Klerk (please note the spelling lest you slander a perfectly innocent person called de Clerk) realised that apartheid was an abhorrent system and began the process of dismantling it. Unfortunately he aligned himself with the terrorist Mandela.

Now the country is run by a complete clown who thinks AIDS doesn't exist and is part of a conspiracy to subjugate the Africans once again. You and Mbeki would get on really well. Both complete crackpots.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun _ Voerword, De Klerk and Smuts all white S.A. Politicians under Apartheid all de facto racists, just like you Henry, note that Henry, I'm not calling you a 'crackpot' or a 'clown' or a 'terrorist' as you describe Mandela, just a racist.

It's not a white = racist theory, it's a Henry Crun = racist theory.

Congratulations you found that I didn't spell DeKlerk properly a triumph eh ?

Henry Crun said...

Again, you have your facts wrong.

Apartheid, as a system of ethnic socialism, was introduced long after Smuts had been ousted from government.

So how can Smuts be regarded as a racist white politician?

You say you have no issues with a person's colour. Yoe certainly seem to have an issue regarding white people.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - Must I repeat it again, I don't have an issue with anyone's race, creed or colour, I do have an issue with white S.A. supremacist racists like you, is that not clear enough ?

Henry Crun said...

And again, you duck the issue and demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge regarding South African history.

You continually accuse me of being racist yet you have never posted the original comments on which you base you accusations.

How many racists do you know are in multi-cultural marriages?

Your constant "racist, racist" taunts merely show you up for the buffon you clearly are.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - Are you not in danger of 'protesting too much' N.B. I'm calling you a racist not a buffoon.

I bet you would like to have me in a S.A. Prison cell in the good old Apartheid days wouldn't you.

Henry Crun said...

"I bet you would like to have me in a S.A. Prison cell in the good old Apartheid days wouldn't you."

I doubt the SA Police would have wasted their time on the likes of you.

The mentally numb were usually consigned to a place called "Groendakkies".

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Henry Crun - Spoken like a true son of the Apartheid system - where did you get your ideas on how to deal with the mentally numb - what did you do with the Gypsies - Henry Crun - proud son of S.A. What a guy.

David said...

terry, this is the first time i have read you're blog. i have read quite a few articles (i can't say i agree with very many though). i have a couple of gripes, firstly it seems to be very rare that you give a straight answer to aquestion but rather you seem to insult those who question you, not what i would i expect from an elected politician (or am i being naive). secondly you seem to think that the snp are anti-english racists. i have voted snp at every election since i was able to because i support indepndence for scotland. this does not make me anti-english, in fact i hold socialist views. supporting independence does not make me anti-english. anyway, thanks for your time.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(David)23/11/2007 Try reading some of the comments that are sent to me and wonder at my restraint. I don’t think that the SNP are anti English racists I know they are. Did you think Swinney’s budget had anything to do with socialism ? Are you up for the pact with the Tories ?